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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 12:48 PM
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Dart
Joined: Jan 01, 2007
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Location: Between you and me.
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Section 119 (2)(a) gives the US Secretary of the Treasury dictatorial powers not reviewable by courts making this position the most powerful one in America.
I hope I just understood this one wrong. |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 12:57 PM
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Ego Brain
Joined: Nov 26, 2007
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Location: San Antonio, Texas
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PlexyEren wrote:
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Section 119 (2)(a) gives the US Secretary of the Treasury dictatorial powers not reviewable by courts making this position the most powerful one in America.
I hope I just understood this one wrong.
Nope, here are articles 3&4 of section 119. The full text of the Law can be found at www.thomas.gov: (3) LIMITATION ON ACTIONS BY PARTICIPATING COMPANIES- No action or claims may be brought against the Secretary by any person that divests its assets with respect to its participation in a program under this Act, except as provided in paragraph (1), other than as expressly provided in a written contract with the Secretary.
(4) STAYS- Any injunction or other form of equitable relief issued against the Secretary for actions pursuant to section 101, 102, 106, and 109, shall be automatically stayed. The stay shall be lifted unless the Secretary seeks a stay from a higher court within 3 calendar days after the date on which the relief is issued.
So, you can take Secretary Paulson or any other agent of the US Treasury to court, but any action that occurs there is automatically "stayed" unless the US Treasury wants you to proceed against them. The US Treasury can now sieze any property they desire arbitrarily, and if you don't like it, they'll declare you nuts and throw you in a FEMA camp.
Welcome to this great paradise that the Bush Administration has created for us. Are all of the people on this list who supported GW Bush feeling really good about themselves right now? |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 01:00 PM
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Dart
Joined: Dec 08, 2007
Posts: 1052
Location: On a Rainy Day
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| Bah, guillotine is too fast - just hang them high, short drop style. |
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Thanx Elyyyyy!
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 04:32 PM
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Marmalade
Joined: Jan 26, 2008
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Location: Everywhere bitch.
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CaylinSoo wrote:
PlexyEren wrote:
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Section 119 (2)(a) gives the US Secretary of the Treasury dictatorial powers not reviewable by courts making this position the most powerful one in America.
I hope I just understood this one wrong.
Nope, here are articles 3&4 of section 119. The full text of the Law can be found at www.thomas.gov: (3) LIMITATION ON ACTIONS BY PARTICIPATING COMPANIES- No action or claims may be brought against the Secretary by any person that divests its assets with respect to its participation in a program under this Act, except as provided in paragraph (1), other than as expressly provided in a written contract with the Secretary.
(4) STAYS- Any injunction or other form of equitable relief issued against the Secretary for actions pursuant to section 101, 102, 106, and 109, shall be automatically stayed. The stay shall be lifted unless the Secretary seeks a stay from a higher court within 3 calendar days after the date on which the relief is issued.
So, you can take Secretary Paulson or any other agent of the US Treasury to court, but any action that occurs there is automatically "stayed" unless the US Treasury wants you to proceed against them. The US Treasury can now sieze any property they desire arbitrarily, and if you don't like it, they'll declare you nuts and throw you in a FEMA camp.
Welcome to this great paradise that the Bush Administration has created for us. Are all of the people on this list who supported GW Bush feeling really good about themselves right now?
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The new mental health provisions contained in these new laws allows the United States to label dissident citizens as being ‘mentally ill’, and the ‘Special Projects’ section allows for the reimbursement to US cities and counties for the building of concentration camps for these mentally ill dissidents.
Wait.. So anyone that challenges this bill can be labeled mentally ill and thrown into a camp?
I really hope I misread that.
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Guillotines are an appropriate response to this bill.
No, no.. That would be to humane.
Im all in favor of a long, painful death by crushing. |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 05:14 PM
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Dart
Joined: Dec 08, 2007
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Location: On a Rainy Day
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 05:55 PM
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Needle
Joined: Oct 04, 2007
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Location: Europe for fucking 12 months
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So Bush manages to fail during his last 4 months... that guy should give up. What good has happened during his time?
That whole act is bitch...seriously. No one had time to read what it really means for society and then they just let it pass. 
Nice debt you got.
Seems you're starting to live in prison. Not prison, something scarier. Am I still willing to move in? Yes, still. |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 07:17 PM
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Dart
Joined: Dec 08, 2007
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| He should be sacked and impeached. And never replaced. The actual candidates are either dorks or marauders if they supported that bill. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 12:34 AM
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^You think you are left with the choice between the lesser of two evils, and you still get evil. I'm not voting. And I don't see how someone could say that 'your vote doesn't count anyways' and they STILL go to the polls in November.
Most of the time Bush signs things into law and we don't know about it until that time.
That's another thing that I asked Hillary about when I sent her info about the MCA and she never answered the question, which I didn't expect her to. I really wanted to see how she would react/respond.
And public polls say one thing when people say another...
People aren't pissed enough. They'll rant about it and then sit there and do the shit they're given to do and legislators will do what the people DON'T want them to do. It's all bullshit. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 03:23 AM
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Ego Brain
Joined: Nov 26, 2007
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Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Cassidy, check out the sections in Title II (Special Projects on Federal Land) of the bill. Also look at Section 511 "Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008, which is actually a part of the same bill. Put them both together and you do not get a pretty picture.
Coz, people have got to be really hurting before they'll "do anything" about this. Sure, everyone will vote against their representatives who sold them down the river with this bill, but if the elections are all rigged, what does it matter? The millionaires will just stay in office.
I believe once this bill is truly implemented and the depression really sets in, people will get motivated to kick some royal ass. But in the meantime, people are still "hypnotized," as our SOAD boys would say. I fully expect food riots in our major cities, once the haves become the have nots. If Paulson implements a banking holiday and shuts down the banks and ATMs for a week or two, people will really notice. Paulson can do this. And I suspect he truly will, if this all part of a plan to replace the dollar (and peso) with the amero.
Does everyone have a two week supply of their medication on hand? Does everyone have enough canned goods stocked up to see them through a couple of weeks? Does everyone have a firearm and a good supply of bullets? Two weeks of gas in their garage? Think about the things that you'll need to get through a few weeks in the event of riots or other disruption in the system.
Coz, should chaos set in, people will likely turn to their local leaders for guidance. Most communities have some strong figures that command a lot of devotion and respect. But I wouldn't want to live in a large complex city like Los Angeles or New York right about now. I may be deceiving myself, but I think San Antonio is going to be protected because of its large military presence and its importance to Mexico. The economy is better here than in most places in the US. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 07:20 AM
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Ego Brain
Joined: Jun 22, 2008
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^Sad but true. When you really think about it, you realize how screwed we are. This country is built on money and the government basically has us by our collective wallets. They can and will do anything they want and forget justification. That damn bill wasn't even presented to the people as a whole, some people i talked to didn't know it existed, yet now it has been passed. I'm actually glad to be living in florida, the economy isn't the best, but it won't be as bad as some places like NY if worse comes to worse. And it probably will.
I notice you brought up that craptastic idea the bush administration had of making a continental currency like the Euro. I'm glad i'm not the only one with that on the brain. It seems just the type of thing that could b going on without our knowing it. This time next week we could hear that a bill o put that into place has been introduced and passed. And all we'll have been hearing in the news is Palin/Biden debates and updates on reality show stars. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 05:14 PM
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Dart
Joined: Jan 01, 2007
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Location: Between you and me.
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I can play Star Spangled Banner on guitar.
I'm so proud of it. |
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