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SOAD Discussion - Best lyrics off Hypnotize
down_with_the_system - Nov 16, 2005 - 05:17 AM
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I would definately have to say "You went beyond. And you lost it all. Why did you go there? From beyond, you saw it all. Why did you go there?" From the song Dreaming.
It is so meaningful and you can apply it to so many things. It sort of reminds me of the saying "the grass is always greener on the other side."
Anyway what are you favorite lyrics off the album. They could be deep and meaningful or just nonsense. TERRACOTTA PIE HEY!!
Donteathefish - Nov 16, 2005 - 05:45 AM
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Well I LOOOVE Lonely Day, I know its such a simple song but its beautiful. I especially love the "if you go, I want to go with you, and if you die, I want to die with you, take your hand and walk away" Im pretty sure thats what he says.. I love it !
thesoadguy - Nov 16, 2005 - 06:19 AM
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"We're going down, in a spiral to the ground. No one, no one's gonna save us now, not even god!"
These lyrics stick out to me the most.
Donteathefish - Nov 16, 2005 - 06:27 AM
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Yeah thats a good one too...Tentative and Lonely Day is tied and is up there in the faves.
ZAk - Nov 16, 2005 - 06:56 AM
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The first part of 'soldier side' right before they start "welcome to soldier side" duet thing
also, 'Dreaming' is pretty great along with 'lonely days'
JordanF54321 - Nov 16, 2005 - 08:55 AM
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From, Attack
Truth is the only sword bleeding minds
Bleeding till the day that
From, Kill Rock N’ Roll
Every time I look in your eyes
Everyday I’m watching you die
All the thoughts I see in you about how I
From, Soldier Side
Young men standing on the top of their own graves
Wondering when Jesus comes are they gonna be saved
And I couldn't help myself
Banana banana banana banana terracotta banana terracotta terracotta pie
*tamara* - Nov 16, 2005 - 09:23 AM
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Soldier Side lyrics and the calm part in Dreaming when Daron is singing... so moving.
njitram - Nov 16, 2005 - 10:00 AM
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if you go, I want to go with you, and if you die, I want to die with you, take your hand and walk away.................
shimmskizzle - Nov 16, 2005 - 02:12 PM
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anything off Soldier Side:
They were crying when their sons left, god is wearing black, hes gone so far to find no hope, hes never coming back
They were crying when their sons left, all the men must go, theyre going so far to find no truth, theyre never coming home
I think thats very moving, the Spiral to the ground part is great too and dreaming also has good lyrics
KetKiller - Nov 16, 2005 - 02:25 PM
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from vicinity of obcenity. These lyrics sonud so fuckin great!
Do we all learn defeat from the whores with bad feet?
Beat the meat (Beat the meat)
Treat the feet
To the sweet
Milky seat
coolguyb52 - Nov 16, 2005 - 03:40 PM
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From Soldier Side:
"They were crying when their sons left. All young men must go. He's gone so far to find a truth, he's never going home." 
miamicanes04 - Nov 16, 2005 - 04:22 PM
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i take tentative
Billmaster - Nov 16, 2005 - 04:35 PM
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""You went beyond. And you lost it all. Why did you go there? From beyond, you saw it all. Why did you go there?""
and
"We're going down, in a spiral to the ground. No one, no one's gonna save us now, not even god!"
Baconman - Nov 16, 2005 - 05:31 PM
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I'd have to go with "where are we going? to the bottom..do you hear us?we are rotting!" - Tentative
kotte - Nov 16, 2005 - 07:09 PM
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" Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall ", from Tentative. The best part of a song it's the solo 1:35-1:45 in to U-Fig. It's so wonderful
Mr_jack- - Nov 16, 2005 - 07:40 PM
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I would go with Soldier Side, Tentative, Attack and Dreaming. So many great lyrics. Just love 'em.
And I really want to know what does Vicinity Of Obscenity mean. There must be a trick in those words. Really. "banana banana banana banana terracotta banana terracotta terracotta pie" hilarious.
asuka89 - Nov 16, 2005 - 11:38 PM
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Best lines in each song
Attack
Attack all the homes and villages
Attack all our schools and hospitals
You attack all the rapes and pillages
Dreaming
You will take their body parts and put them up on the wall
and bring the dark disaster
Kill Rock N' Roll
Mowed down the sexy people
Hypnotize
Television made you buy it
Stealing Society
Crack pipes, needles, PCP and fast cars
Kind of mix really well in a dead movie star
Tentative
where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall
U-Fig
Melt in the sun
Holy Mountains
Someone’s mouth said paint them all red
Vicinity Of Obscenity
IS there a perfect way of holding you baby
She’s Like Heroin
Selling ass for heroin
Lonely Day
The most loneliest day of my life
*eDwIn* - Nov 17, 2005 - 12:20 AM
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"Such a lonely day... and its mine ...a day that I’m glad I survived " - Lonely Day
"Selling ass for heroin".. -Shes like heroin
"she lost her mind, someone kicked her into the back of the line
she lost her head, when they called and they say that they
thought he was dead " - Dreaming
Treevil - Nov 17, 2005 - 01:08 AM
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Attack: "If we fall, we all fall, and we fall alone"
Dreaming: Entire chorus and interlude
Kill Rock 'N' Roll: "Mowed down the sexy people"
Hypnotize: "Mesmerize the simple minded, propaganda leaves us blinded"
Stealing Society: "I'm looking for a mother that'll get me high, just a stupid motherfucker, if I die, I die"
Tentative: Entire pre-chorus, chorus, and interlude
U-Fig: "Realize you're blind"
Holy Mountains: "Someone's flag stand deemed it warfare"
Vicinity of Obscenity: "Banana banana banana banana terracotta banana terracotta terracotta pie!"
She's Like Heroin: "Selling ass for heroin"
Lonely Day: "And if you go, I wanna go with you, and if you die, I wanna die with you, take your hand and walk away"
Soldier Side: Entire song up until the instrumental interlude
geoff - Nov 17, 2005 - 04:51 AM
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From soldier side: "Maybe you're a joker maybe you deserve to die"
anything referencing Bob Dylan is cool in my book
Jesuscanfly - Nov 17, 2005 - 04:57 AM
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1:39 into Stealing Society 
~WOLF~ - Nov 17, 2005 - 07:58 AM
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Donteathefish wrote:
Well I LOOOVE Lonely Day, I know its such a simple song but its beautiful. I especially love the "if you go, I want to go with you, and if you die, I want to die with you, take your hand and walk away" Im pretty sure thats what he says.. I love it !
Thats my MSN name! Heh heh, its definately one of them...
" Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall ", from Tentative. The best part of a song it's the solo 1:35-1:45 in to U-Fig. It's so wonderful"
I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!!!
...but IMO its got to be from Attack; "Breathing, eachothers lives.. holding this in mind..but if we fall... we all fall... and we fall alone..." (im pretty sure thats what they say)
I find that so powerful!
~WOLF~
11/22/05 - Nov 19, 2005 - 04:03 AM
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Donteathefish wrote:
Well I LOOOVE Lonely Day, I know its such a simple song but its beautiful. I especially love the "if you go, I want to go with you, and if you die, I want to die with you, take your hand and walk away" Im pretty sure thats what he says.. I love it !
i couldnt have said it better my self
also when they say (in the song Dreaming),
"She .. lost her mind
Someone kicked her into the back of the line
She .. lost her head
When they called and they said that they thought he was dead
Dreaming of screaming
Someone kick me out of my mind
I hate these thoughts I can’t deny
Dreaming of screaming
Someone kick me out of my mind
I hate these thoughts I can’t de….."
its way too awsome for me to not like it.
----------------------
Eddie Guerrero- 1967-2005
R. I. P
JP - Nov 19, 2005 - 04:32 AM
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My definite fav lyrics Daron's rap from Stealing Society
Crack pipes, needles, PCP and fast cars
Kind of mix really well in a dead movie star
When I feel like talking I never be wrong
If I feel like walking you best come a long
I close my windows
Crank the heat up high
Till my palms are wet and my tongue is dry
Looking for a mother that will get me high
Just a stupid mother fucker if I die, I die
I'm a midnight fist fight
DirtyDawn - Nov 19, 2005 - 08:30 AM
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Donteathefish wrote:
Dreaming of screaming
Someone kick me out of my mind
I hate these thoughts I can’t deny
Dreaming of screaming
Someone kick me out of my mind
I hate these thoughts I can’t de….."
this one's my favorite too!
Danish_Revenga - Nov 22, 2005 - 02:30 PM
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Dreaming and Tentative have great lyrics, very deep
And from She's Like Heroin:
Chinese tricks in rooms
With ghosts of hooker girlie dudes
Me and heroin maybe we can make some cash
And from Stealing Society:
Crack pipes, needles, PCP and fast cars,
Kind of mix really well in a dead movie star.
From Soldier Side:
They were crying when their sons left,
God is wearing black,
He's gone so far to find no hope,
He's never coming back.
Awsome lyrics
RockTheSystem - Nov 22, 2005 - 04:10 PM
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Dreaming, has the greatest lyrics ever.. But Then again. Lonley day has a special-ness about the lyrics.. kind of sad.. but happy. When he said about surviving the lonly day and what ntt.. x]
namekyd - Nov 23, 2005 - 03:28 PM
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"Crack pipes needles PCP and fast cars! Gotta mix really well with a dead movie star. When I feel like talking I will never be wrong, when I fell like walking you best come along........lookin for a mother who'll get me high, just a stupid mother fucker if I die I die!!"
Love that shit!
Kalev - Nov 23, 2005 - 03:47 PM
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I'll just cite one song although almost all lyrics are great, as they always were by SoaD. 
Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen Square
Was fashion the reason why they were there?
They disguise it, hypnotize it
Television made you buy it
...
Mesmerize the simple minded
Propaganda leaves us blinded
the_funny_astronaut - Nov 24, 2005 - 07:37 PM
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"Books illustrate what we already know
Candles cry towards the sky"
"What's the philosophy of displaced mines?"
(Attack)
"Someone kick me out of my mind
I hate these thoughts I can't deny"
(Dreaming)
"Accidents happen!" lol the way how Serj says it is funny
(Kill the Rabbit.... er... Rock 'N Roll)
"Mesmerize the simple-minded
Propaganda leaves us blinded"
(Hypnotize)
"Crack pipes, needles, PCP and fast cars
kinda mix really well in a dead movie star"
"I'm a midnight fist-fight!"
(Stealing Society)
"No one's gonna save us
Not even God, no one's gonna save us now"
(Tentative)
"All pathetic ignorant flag-waving geeks
And we'll eat 'em, eat 'em, eat 'em...."
(U-Fig)
"Liar! Killer! Demon!
Someone's blank stare deemed it warfare"
(Holy Mountains)
"Banana banana banana terracotta pie" lol that's just insane
(Vicinity of Obscenity)
"She wants nothing more
But to be a little whore"
(She's Like Heroin)
"And if you go, I wanna go with you
And if you die, I wanna die with you"
(Lonely Day)
"Young men standing on the top of their own graves
Wondering when Jesus comes
Are they gonna be saved?"
(Soldier Side, these lyrics almost made me cry)
someonekickmeoutofmymind - Nov 24, 2005 - 08:40 PM
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i think daron's solo from dreaming, he has a great voice and i hate when people say his voice sucks.
T.A.H.S. - Nov 25, 2005 - 01:16 AM
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"Every time I look in your eyes
evry time I'm watching you die
and all the thoughts I see in you about how
how I"
Pretty damn deep, I like DEEP....I like am all though this album is so good guys...O no I am getting a tear again.....
xlxcigaroxlx - Nov 25, 2005 - 01:42 AM
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Tentative is amazing, completley amazing..as is the whole cd...so...
"where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?"
192 - Nov 26, 2005 - 02:09 PM
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Stealing Society, Soldier Side and Vicinity of Obscenity has the best lyrics in my opinion.
nrolfes - Nov 28, 2005 - 03:23 AM
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and then the third time he says it he switches to:
"Where do you expect them to go when the bombs fall"
imho the most powerful line in the song; "them" being all the innocent civilians that the good ol' us of a has bombed into oblivion starting with oh lets just start with hiroshima and the latest being the white phosphorus (WMD's no less) it has recently been revealed we've used on iraqi civilians. soad lyrics are timeless and are very poetic.
geoff - Nov 28, 2005 - 07:56 AM
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I have a question for nrolfes. How could you be so ignorant?
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was completely neccessary in bringing an end to WW2. These two bombs being dropped saved many lives on both sides. If you know history you will know that the Japanese were very tough to fight. They thought Hirohito was a God, and they had a policy of no surrender. During the time just before the first bomb was dropped the "good ol' U.S of A" as you sarcastically referred to the country I love, was engaged in an island hopping campaign. This means they were going from island to island around Japan, fighting the Japanese troops. As you can imagine this was extremely bloody and many lives were lost on both sides.
Now, to bring a speedy end to the war, President Truman decided to use a new weapon that had just been discovered. This of course being the a-bomb. It was dropped on hiroshima killing many innocent civilians and causing a great deal of destruction. After this bomb was dropped it was thought that the Japanese would surrender. They did not. A second bomb was dropped this one hitting Nagasaki. A third one would have been on the way but the Japanese finally surrendered.
Now if it took two atomic bombs to make the Japanese surrender how much would it have taken on the ground to achieve victory. My guess would be a full on invasion of Japan. This would have cost the Americans far too many lives. The total lives lost on both sides in an invasion of Japan would have probably been greater than the lives lost from the bombs. Also, in an invasion victory is not guranteed and we just as well could have lost WW2 and be living under a Japanese emperor today.
Remember it was the Japanese who attacked us at Pearl Harbor.
Moving onto more recent matters. I'm not sure what you mean when you say (WMD's no less) in quotes. Is that supposed to mean that we are really the big, bad guys with the weapons of mass destruction because I am sure that any civilian killed in Iraq is an accident. If white phospherous was used I am sure it was directed at suspected terrorists. We would not try and knock down a city, and a group of people that we are trying to help.
Please don't return with something about how this war is for oil because that is simply untrue and is an ignorant statement to make so please don't make it.
I would like a response from you because your words have truly angered me.
Pearsie - Nov 28, 2005 - 10:27 AM
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Mez/Hyp has the best SOAD lyrics.
swizzor_fin - Nov 28, 2005 - 02:59 PM
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I love the part in solider side where it goes: "They were crying when their sons left, god is wearing black, He’s gone so far to find no hope he’s never coming back"...
and in tentative the part: "We're going down, in a spiral to the ground, no one,no one's gonna save us now"...
nrolfes - Nov 29, 2005 - 04:30 AM
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geoff wrote:
I have a question for nrolfes. How could you be so ignorant?
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was completely neccessary in bringing an end to WW2. These two bombs being dropped saved many lives on both sides. If you know history you will know that the Japanese were very tough to fight. They thought Hirohito was a God, and they had a policy of no surrender. During the time just before the first bomb was dropped the "good ol' U.S of A" as you sarcastically referred to the country I love, was engaged in an island hopping campaign. This means they were going from island to island around Japan, fighting the Japanese troops. As you can imagine this was extremely bloody and many lives were lost on both sides.
Now, to bring a speedy end to the war, President Truman decided to use a new weapon that had just been discovered. This of course being the a-bomb. It was dropped on hiroshima killing many innocent civilians and causing a great deal of destruction. After this bomb was dropped it was thought that the Japanese would surrender. They did not. A second bomb was dropped this one hitting Nagasaki. A third one would have been on the way but the Japanese finally surrendered.
Now if it took two atomic bombs to make the Japanese surrender how much would it have taken on the ground to achieve victory. My guess would be a full on invasion of Japan. This would have cost the Americans far too many lives. The total lives lost on both sides in an invasion of Japan would have probably been greater than the lives lost from the bombs. Also, in an invasion victory is not guranteed and we just as well could have lost WW2 and be living under a Japanese emperor today.
Remember it was the Japanese who attacked us at Pearl Harbor.
Moving onto more recent matters. I'm not sure what you mean when you say (WMD's no less) in quotes. Is that supposed to mean that we are really the big, bad guys with the weapons of mass destruction because I am sure that any civilian killed in Iraq is an accident. If white phospherous was used I am sure it was directed at suspected terrorists. We would not try and knock down a city, and a group of people that we are trying to help.
Please don't return with something about how this war is for oil because that is simply untrue and is an ignorant statement to make so please don't make it.
I would like a response from you because your words have truly angered me.
regardless how you justify the bombing the result is still bombing of innocent civilians which imho is what this song is about, and what the lyrics are about, which is what the topic of this thread is about.
its a debatable issue whether or not the hiroshima bomb was "necessary", maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but to state as fact that it was and there is no debate to be had about it is ignorant. there is strong evidence that the japanese had already agreed to sign the surrender prior to the bombing, but Truman wanted to send a message to the entire world that would iterate American dominance and state our case for being the new world superpower, and that we weren't afraid to use these newly developed WMD's. It was the beginning of the era of American air bombing campaigns that destroy innocent civilians, towns, villages, at the literal press of a button.
i find it ironic that we invade a country on the premises of their posession of WMD's, and then we subsequently use them upon the country during our invasion. ironic that we depose their leader because of his infamous torture prisons, which we recreate with the help of our own CIA. ironic that we deem certain states are not allowed to have WMD's, despite the fact we are the country with the track record of using and producing the most WMD's in human history. Ironic that we sold many of these WMD's to Saddam in the 80's and now it gives us a convenient excuse to invade. Saddam was our tool, he played his part well, and now we control iraq's oil. we don't get much oil from iraq, but all of our enemies and allies do (Europe, China) and now we control the spigot they would like to drink from. i'm not making this up its all in the PNAC thinktank report authored by Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz, and other neocons before bush ever took office. they just needed the spark to initiate the plan, a "new pearl harbor" (their words, not mine), and 9/11 offered that for them in spades.
i'm not naive to believe if we didn't do all these things we would have the power, prestige, and privelige that we do as a nation today, however at least if people understood that we did not achieve all this by playing fair, we did not achieve this by being holier and more righteous than all other nations, we achieved this because we were the dirtiest, rotten scoundrel on the block and we will stop at nothing to keep ourselves in power.
Not bad if your american, but if your not american....well you can understand why everyone hates americans then.
geoff - Nov 29, 2005 - 06:40 PM
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How can you say that the Japanese were thinking about surrendering before the bomb was dropped? It took two to get them to surrender. And if there was a message to be sent from these bombings it was meant for the soviet union but i don't believe it was meant as a message because ww2 wouldn't have ended. If you remember certain U.S generals felt it was necessary to take on the Soviet Union at the end of WW2. Truman decided not to. These are not the actions of a man who thinks it is important to be the world's superpower.
It wasn't the bombing of Hiroshima or Nagasaki or any military action that made the U.S a legitimate power in the world. It was the supporting of Allied countries during the first part of the war with weapons and other industrial needs. Also, the Marshall plan which was the entire rebuilding of europe with american industry and money was what established the U.S as one of the superpowers. It was not only military power that made the u.s powerful it was mostly due to industry and abandoning the prior policies of isolationism.
Now onto the Iraqui invasion. We did not invade Iraq because we thought they had WMD's. If having WMD's was the litmus test for invading a country than we would be at war with almost all of the world. The reason for the invasion was the thought of wmd's in the hands of a man who had acted aggressively towards peaceful nations and seemed to have world domination on his mind. He was also a friend to terrorists and an enemy to the U.S. To give him a chance to build any kind of weapons would be dangerous. The bombings of Iraq were done with precision guided bombs directed at mostly military and terrorist targets. Any innocent civilian casualties were a mistake.
To compare the torture chambers of Saddam to the ones that we supposedly use is irresponsible. I assume you are talking about the ones of the cia and maybe abu-giraib (or however it is spelled) What was done in Abu Garaib was not torture with any stretch of the imagination and the ones the cia uses are being looked at by congress and will most likely be corrected. Even if we did have torture chambers i am sure those are used to extract evidence from terrorists and to ensure the safety of american citizens.
I also don't see how our motive is to control Iraqui oil if we plan to give the country and all of it's resources back to the people and democratic government of iraq. Please explain this to me.
Lastly, I do not understand why people hate americans. Maybe i can see how they don't always agree with the actions of our government. Maybe I can see how they do not like things like Mcdonald's and Nike being present in their country. maybe they view this as american arrogance, i don't know what they think. But i definitely do not understand why they hate the american people or want to cause them harm other than us not conforming to the beliefs of islam and living as infidels. If this last point is true than they are fascists, and are on the same level as hitler, and we as a country should strive to eliminate fascism.
Again I would like a response because i am enjoying this conversation we are having. It is shaping up to be a liberal vs. conservative type of debate thing and it is all stemming from lyrics. I actually think that is kind of cool. Please respond
ZAk - Nov 29, 2005 - 07:03 PM
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geoff wrote:
He was also a friend to terrorists and an enemy to the U.S.
Saddam's army and weapons including the chemical ones were all been supplied by the American government. and when he strike the kurds in the north of iraq in 1984-1989 and killed thousands of people, it was american made missiles carred on american made airplans
AND it was the American veto that stopped the UN from condemn Iraqi goverment
And it was the american airplans who have striked South of Iraq in 1992 when they tried to revolt againt Saddam, killed hundreds of them.
Now, you're telling me he wa friends of the enemies ?! what enemies ?
Bin laden? Bin Ladin is a CIA agent, American goverment have used it against the soviet invasion to Afghnstan in the 80s.
Even in Iran, the extremist islamic govement founder "El Khomni" was brought on a military american airplan from Paris ... etc
geoff wrote:
How can you say that the Japanese were thinking about surrendering before the bomb was dropped?
Its the truth in fact, you should re-read history once again and re-check your resources
Japaness forces have been already defeated in Asia and 98% of them were backed up into Japan (or at least what left) before the nuclear hit, and it was matter of time till Japan's emperor will announce the official surrender but for political reasons, the bomb was dropped, to announce the new great power rise esp. that The USSR have proved the capability of being a great power
and also for not repeating the mistake of germany, as germany been divided to 2 parts between the USA and USSR, the american wanted Japan all for them selfs and thats when the nuclear bomb decision was made, so it has nothing to do with WWW 1 as much as it has lots to do with the new born cold war back then..
Now lthis really went so far off-topic, so please lets get back on-topic
geoff - Nov 29, 2005 - 07:41 PM
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I will not deny that there was a relationship between Iraq and the U.S but that stopped when he invaded Kuwait (spelling might be bad). Since then he made himself an enemy to us.
We used Bin Laden because we had a common enemy, the USSR. The USSR attacked Afghanistan, Bin Laden fought them.
If the Japanese were going to surrender they would have before a second one hit. There were 2 a-bombs. If we wanted to decimate Japan why not 3? why not one at Tokyo? Why? because they surrendered that's why
This is not off topic this is within the context of lyrics and the discussing of lyrics, but to keep it on topic My favorite lyrics are contained in "Vicinity of Obscenity"
p.s. germany was divided into many parts as many countries helped with the invasion of germany. I think there were 4, not sure though I know there was more than just us and ussr pieces. And we were the only nation fighting japan hence there wouldn't be multiple pieces, so I'm not sure what your argument is about the segmented germany having anything to do with the bomb. Next you will say Hitler was our fault because of the Treaty of Versailles.
ZAk - Nov 29, 2005 - 08:19 PM
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geoff wrote:
germany was divided into many parts as many countries
Man! you really need to re-check your history !!
Berlin Wall was between west germany and east germany, have you ever heared of 3rd or 4th germany ?!?
geoff wrote:
Since then he made himself an enemy to us.
you still cant explain how, and re-read my post again, the usa used the veto severl times even after the Kuwait war, and not only this, but they stricked south of iraq when they tried to resist Saddam and thats was 1992-1993. you really need to re-check your resources
geoff wrote:
If the Japanese were going to surrender they would have before a second one hit. There were 2 a-bombs.
Coz once again Japan Emperor didnt have any war declarness from the USa and allies before that date.
The bombs were dropped on Aug. 6th and 9th, only 2days in between and "Potsdam Declaration" which asks Japan to unconditional surrender, was only announced After the bomb in the Aug. 13 and the Japan Emperor have immediately accpet it on the next day the 14th.
AND ...
geoff wrote:
If we wanted to decimate Japan why not 3? why not one at Tokyo?
well, you're just proving my point and I already said that in my above post..
the USA did NOT used the A-bomb to make Japan surrender, it was mainly for political reasons toward the new great power the USSR or if they really wanted Japan to surrender then they would hit Tokyo directly and kill the emperor and so on. it was political message to USSR that we can strike any place once .. and twice with massive weapon no one has, later one the American documents assured that there was no 3rd nuclear bomb, they only had these 2 and they drop them, and according to the americans themselfs they didnt expect that massive destruction, even the bomb dropper went insance after what he saw ..
I highly recommend google for more researching
geoff - Nov 29, 2005 - 08:44 PM
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When Germany was originally conquered there were many armies invading it including the United States, France, and USSR. after Germany fell we gave the pieces back to Germany wanting to avoid another Versailles situation. The USSR would not give their piece back. That is why it was originally divided between many people but was eventually wittled down to two. One side being the democratic west the other being the communists and the east. again im not sure how many pieces it was originally divided into, i know that france was going to have a piece. Still what does this have to do with Japan?
About the Japanese surrender. It is debatable when the war even ended. On August 14 the emperor Hirohito announced that they would surrender. The formal surrender wan on September 2nd on some boat but many japanese troops fought on. 500,000 Japanese troops surrendered to a group of marines on October 15 and many Japanese soldiers kept fighting. So the bombs were needed to make Japan surrender.
We did not strike southern Iraq when people tried to resist Saddam. That is untrue. I think what you are talking about is us not helping them. We tried to stage this event and when it happened we didn't help them. I know for a fact we never bombed people against Saddam, I think this is the situation you are confused about.
I don't know what you're talking about when you say if they wanted to end the war they would have just hit Tokyo or kill the emperor. First of all the emperor thing: why didn't they just kill hitler or why not just kill mussolini? the answer is because they don't know where he is and he really doesn't matter. If you kill him does the war end?
And about Tokyo, it was in the 40's im not even sure if tokyo was their biggest city then.
ZAk - Nov 29, 2005 - 08:54 PM
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Germnay till this very moment have american troops and not allowed to make an army nor military equipment before getting back to Washington and so is Japan... and they NEVER been divided into more than west and east germany, As for Iraqi thing try to search for it instead of this useless argumnet
I'm sorry for not continuing this argument as you completely have no idea what are you talking about, again I highly recommend any search engine out there
You can start new thread if you'd like about it but for Now, Lets get back On-topic seriously before I started deleteing off-topic posts
geoff - Nov 30, 2005 - 05:13 AM
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